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I was at a art exhibit yesterday under a secial invite and it was presented by a company called AIM Trimark. The two speakers were partners from the company named Cinnamon and Jerome! Cinnamon just does not feel like a very professional name to me and it was almost awkward to here it said so commonly. Now Jerome on the other hand is alright to me if you are African American...but this man was oriental! Yeesh! What a world we live in.
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Heres my thoughts on what's been said....
is that this is still an issue. "Black" is a beautful term IMO...Afro American, like afro cuban can be used also. Jerome is used for many nationalities, but people dont travel in wide enough circles to know this...so its not racism, but simply thier experience, and yes, somtimes ignorance.
Orient(al)indicates the lands where the sun rises, as seen from Europe. The original designation were for the eastern parts of the Roman empire, the regions that later were turned into the Eastern Roman empire, and even later the Byzantine empire. This included parts of Balkan in Europe, Minor Asia, the Levant, and eastern parts of North Africa.
In modern times, 'Orient' has been used to designate areas that do not belong to the Western cultural hemisphere, and has been expanded to cover the regions of East Asia, with China and Japan as the principal countries.
So I think the word Asian applies more directly...but it isnt nessesarily a rascist comment, just mal informed..lets not get the two confused:):)
is that this is still an issue. "Black" is a beautful term IMO...Afro American, like afro cuban can be used also. Jerome is used for many nationalities, but people dont travel in wide enough circles to know this...so its not racism, but simply thier experience, and yes, somtimes ignorance.
Orient(al)indicates the lands where the sun rises, as seen from Europe. The original designation were for the eastern parts of the Roman empire, the regions that later were turned into the Eastern Roman empire, and even later the Byzantine empire. This included parts of Balkan in Europe, Minor Asia, the Levant, and eastern parts of North Africa.
In modern times, 'Orient' has been used to designate areas that do not belong to the Western cultural hemisphere, and has been expanded to cover the regions of East Asia, with China and Japan as the principal countries.
So I think the word Asian applies more directly...but it isnt nessesarily a rascist comment, just mal informed..lets not get the two confused:):)
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I see that you're getting a lot of crap by saying
"Now Jerome on the other hand is alright to me if you are African American...but this man was oriental! Yeesh!"
I actually agree with you though. That's what I think of when I hear the name Jerome because the only guys I know with that name is African American. Because of this I would think the same.
And I'm not big on Cinnamon. I think in a way it would be cool but not if you look at it from the business prospective.
"Now Jerome on the other hand is alright to me if you are African American...but this man was oriental! Yeesh!"
I actually agree with you though. That's what I think of when I hear the name Jerome because the only guys I know with that name is African American. Because of this I would think the same.
And I'm not big on Cinnamon. I think in a way it would be cool but not if you look at it from the business prospective.
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shangrila_la...
shangrila_la, your post was more offensive in my opinion due to the fact that you implied that Jerome only was suited to African-Americans, and that it sounded not alright on so called "orientals". In my opinion that's more offensive to people of differing Asian ancestries. How does the name Jerome fit African-Americans, and yet sounds not alright on "orientals"?
shangrila_la, your post was more offensive in my opinion due to the fact that you implied that Jerome only was suited to African-Americans, and that it sounded not alright on so called "orientals". In my opinion that's more offensive to people of differing Asian ancestries. How does the name Jerome fit African-Americans, and yet sounds not alright on "orientals"?
This message was edited 10/27/2005, 5:36 PM
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I know a *lot* of African Americans, and none of them are named Jerome. I know of two caucasion Jeromes. Furthermore, most of the Asians I know have names like Peter, Ian, Joy, Matthew, Rachel, Wesley, and Jenna. I even know one named Jeremy. Really, I don't think you ought to judge a person's name by their race.
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Please refer to my last comment below this
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Yes, what a world we live in
His name should have been Hung-Chang, or something like that, what a joke. I don't recall names ever having to only belong to certain ethnicities. Jerome by the way, is a great name that could fit anyone. I adore various names such as Alexei(Russian), Etienne(French) as well as others. In my opinion, I would rather name my children a wide variety of different names outside my ethnicity then use the same rehashed names(Michael, Joshua,I could name others, but I would fall asleep) as well as others. Cinnamon sounds strange to me, but as long as that person named "Cinnamon" feels comfortable about their name then good for that individual.
His name should have been Hung-Chang, or something like that, what a joke. I don't recall names ever having to only belong to certain ethnicities. Jerome by the way, is a great name that could fit anyone. I adore various names such as Alexei(Russian), Etienne(French) as well as others. In my opinion, I would rather name my children a wide variety of different names outside my ethnicity then use the same rehashed names(Michael, Joshua,I could name others, but I would fall asleep) as well as others. Cinnamon sounds strange to me, but as long as that person named "Cinnamon" feels comfortable about their name then good for that individual.
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All I was trying to say was that it was unusual and that I have only EVER heard it being used by someone of an African American race. I am NOT racist it is just an observation.
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Ignorant racism. And, "African American" does not mean "black", by the way.
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Where did she say that?
The word 'black' does not appear in shangri_la's post.
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The word 'black' does not appear in shangri_la's post.
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Did I say African American meant black specifically? If I did I didn't mean to!
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Why would Jerome be a "black" name?
Jerome is Greek and also used in France, so why would the name be suitable only for an Afro-American? I don't get it.
Cinnamon sounds a bit hippie but actually I think any name can sound professional. I mean, it is the person who is professional, not the name. I would not name a daughter Cinnamon, but luckily this company was more interested in her qualities than in her name.
"You sought a flower and found a fruit. You sought a spring and found a sea. You sought a woman and found a soul. You are disappointed."
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
Jerome is Greek and also used in France, so why would the name be suitable only for an Afro-American? I don't get it.
Cinnamon sounds a bit hippie but actually I think any name can sound professional. I mean, it is the person who is professional, not the name. I would not name a daughter Cinnamon, but luckily this company was more interested in her qualities than in her name.
"You sought a flower and found a fruit. You sought a spring and found a sea. You sought a woman and found a soul. You are disappointed."
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
This message was edited 10/27/2005, 9:35 AM
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You'd be amazed. In the States especially, Jerome is seen as a black name because like Tiesha, LaKeisha, etc. it has been used in recent decades primarily by blacks. All of my friends find it hilarious that they have an older white professor named Jerome, who teaches minority studies. It's the subject of much amusement and speculation, right or wrong.
Personally, I don't find Jerome attractive for anyone.
Personally, I don't find Jerome attractive for anyone.
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How rude: "blacks".
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I don't understand what you mean...
As a young black woman, I don't find the term blacks to be rude at all. I find it to be very accurate. African-American and Afro-American are more rude to me because they single me out. I am an American, first and foremost. There is no African to it...I was not born in Africa, I have never been to Africa and I have little desire to go.
My family has been in America since it was founded, as have the families of many of my white peers. No one calls those same peers German-Swedish-French-Native-Americans, so why should I be called African-American, just because my skin is dark?
Anyway, I didn't say that stereotyping names is good or even ok. I just said that it happens, and it isn't a novel or foreign concept.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
-Eleanor Roosevelt
As a young black woman, I don't find the term blacks to be rude at all. I find it to be very accurate. African-American and Afro-American are more rude to me because they single me out. I am an American, first and foremost. There is no African to it...I was not born in Africa, I have never been to Africa and I have little desire to go.
My family has been in America since it was founded, as have the families of many of my white peers. No one calls those same peers German-Swedish-French-Native-Americans, so why should I be called African-American, just because my skin is dark?
Anyway, I didn't say that stereotyping names is good or even ok. I just said that it happens, and it isn't a novel or foreign concept.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
-Eleanor Roosevelt
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Why are people so fond of stereotyping? I could understand LaKeisha b/c this looks like a made-up name, but Jerome is traditional and international.
Amusing? Well, we have a saying in my country "Little things amuse children", I don't know if there is something similar in English.
"You sought a flower and found a fruit. You sought a spring and found a sea. You sought a woman and found a soul. You are disappointed."
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
Amusing? Well, we have a saying in my country "Little things amuse children", I don't know if there is something similar in English.
"You sought a flower and found a fruit. You sought a spring and found a sea. You sought a woman and found a soul. You are disappointed."
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
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Well,
I don't think it's any more fair to say that LaKeisha is a black name because it looks made up than it is to say that Jerome is a black name. They're both names. If stereotyping one isn't ok, than stereotyping either isn't ok.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
-Eleanor Roosevelt
I don't think it's any more fair to say that LaKeisha is a black name because it looks made up than it is to say that Jerome is a black name. They're both names. If stereotyping one isn't ok, than stereotyping either isn't ok.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
-Eleanor Roosevelt
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I got the impression that LaKeisha was only used
in black communities. Do you know of anyone who is not black using this name?
It is interesting b/c I read somewhere that the black slaves lost everything, their languages and their names (Kunta Kinte became Toby). So therefore some black people wanted to use either made-up names which did not sound "white" or real African names. Of course I prefer the real African names to the made-up names.
I also saw in the film "Crash" when Ms Johnson said her name was Shaniqua Johnson, and the white racist policeman immediately understood that she was black. A lot of racism in this film, from all sides. And a lot of anger.
"You sought a flower and found a fruit. You sought a spring and found a sea. You sought a woman and found a soul. You are disappointed."
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
in black communities. Do you know of anyone who is not black using this name?
It is interesting b/c I read somewhere that the black slaves lost everything, their languages and their names (Kunta Kinte became Toby). So therefore some black people wanted to use either made-up names which did not sound "white" or real African names. Of course I prefer the real African names to the made-up names.
I also saw in the film "Crash" when Ms Johnson said her name was Shaniqua Johnson, and the white racist policeman immediately understood that she was black. A lot of racism in this film, from all sides. And a lot of anger.
"You sought a flower and found a fruit. You sought a spring and found a sea. You sought a woman and found a soul. You are disappointed."
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
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There are plenty of blacks that do like made up names, although not out of a desire to not be white, more out of a desire to be "unique" and also because the sounds (for some odd reason) are pleasing to their ears. I know white Tiesha's, Keisha's, TeAhnna's, etc.
I know this may sound negative, and I really don't mean it to, but many times in American culture, black culture is eventually absorbed into white culture and then whites "own" it (if anyone can even own a culture). I think this is why you find some white people naming their children what would once be considered black names.
And Sheniqua, Shaniqua, is a stereotypical "black woman" name. That isn't to say there really aren't black women named this, but for most American whites and blacks, it's what one immediately thinks of when they think of created black names. I've never actually met a black Sheniqua.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
-Eleanor Roosevelt
I know this may sound negative, and I really don't mean it to, but many times in American culture, black culture is eventually absorbed into white culture and then whites "own" it (if anyone can even own a culture). I think this is why you find some white people naming their children what would once be considered black names.
And Sheniqua, Shaniqua, is a stereotypical "black woman" name. That isn't to say there really aren't black women named this, but for most American whites and blacks, it's what one immediately thinks of when they think of created black names. I've never actually met a black Sheniqua.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
-Eleanor Roosevelt
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Agree--
The original poster displayed what I can only describe as ignorance in serveral different instances. Using inappropriate adjectives to describe a racial background, and stereotyping a specific culture both show that there was, at the least, a lack of understanding of politically correct language, and, at the most, a racial bias.
I am saying this as a white American, for the record.
The original poster displayed what I can only describe as ignorance in serveral different instances. Using inappropriate adjectives to describe a racial background, and stereotyping a specific culture both show that there was, at the least, a lack of understanding of politically correct language, and, at the most, a racial bias.
I am saying this as a white American, for the record.
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Okay...
You mean he was Asian... only rugs are oriental.
Plus, I don't think we should stereotype names to only fit a certain race or ethnicity. It just isn't appropriate, and it might offend some other people.
Just my opinion.
You mean he was Asian... only rugs are oriental.
Plus, I don't think we should stereotype names to only fit a certain race or ethnicity. It just isn't appropriate, and it might offend some other people.
Just my opinion.
This message was edited 10/27/2005, 9:32 AM
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i see jerome as a jewish name...cinnamon is dodgy as a proffesional name...but i dont like spice names in genral
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