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Help[Facts] Just talked to the NY Times about...
...Nevaeh! The reporter seemed most interested in its quick rise into the top 100. I also had to mention the generally negative/hostile reaction to it on this website (see the comments and ratings for Nevaeh) and other name websites. I declined to give a personal opinion. ;)
She asked if I had anything further to add, but my mind went blank. If anyone has any thoughts or tidbits to add, post them here and I can email them to her. (She already knew that it had come to prominence on Cribs before I talked to her.. perhaps she had talked to Dr. Evans?)
She asked if I had anything further to add, but my mind went blank. If anyone has any thoughts or tidbits to add, post them here and I can email them to her. (She already knew that it had come to prominence on Cribs before I talked to her.. perhaps she had talked to Dr. Evans?)
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Mike C - the article made the Washingon Post, too
I'll try and find a copy if you're interested.
I'll try and find a copy if you're interested.
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Not unique, not pretty, just a newfangled... ugh! It lacks class, and people claim to have some meaning that is quite false. Lacks class, and horrible to grow up with. Also, Mike, I have a few links to people opinions of the name, and other info: http://www.behindthename.com/bb/arcview.php?id=486342&board=baby & http://www.behindthename.com/bb/arcview.php?id=354204&board=gen
Andrew
This message was edited 5/19/2006, 1:41 PM
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My Overall Impressions of the Name
Upon first hearing it, I thought it was anything BUT unique. I thought the whole "Heaven spelled backwards" thing was ridiculousy corny and stupid. Its made up, with no true meaning apart from "heaven spelled backwards", yet so many people are quick to rationalize their chosing of this name by making up some silly meaning in a language that doesn't exist ("butterfly" in Slavic, for example), which I think is another strange and annoying practice. I personally feel this name lacks class and taste.
Upon first hearing it, I thought it was anything BUT unique. I thought the whole "Heaven spelled backwards" thing was ridiculousy corny and stupid. Its made up, with no true meaning apart from "heaven spelled backwards", yet so many people are quick to rationalize their chosing of this name by making up some silly meaning in a language that doesn't exist ("butterfly" in Slavic, for example), which I think is another strange and annoying practice. I personally feel this name lacks class and taste.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/18/us/18heaven.html
And unfortunately it does not mention behindthename.com. Don't be too disappointed; I've learned over the years that newspaper reporters talk to you for half an hour gathering all sorts of information and they you are lucky if they quote one sentence of yours in the article; which is exactly what happenned to me here. Ms. Lee talked to me twice for over half an hour about Nevaeh and ended up using just about the one most generic sentence I told her. :) Of course, it's possible she wrote a lot more and the editors cut a bunch out.
And unfortunately it does not mention behindthename.com. Don't be too disappointed; I've learned over the years that newspaper reporters talk to you for half an hour gathering all sorts of information and they you are lucky if they quote one sentence of yours in the article; which is exactly what happenned to me here. Ms. Lee talked to me twice for over half an hour about Nevaeh and ended up using just about the one most generic sentence I told her. :) Of course, it's possible she wrote a lot more and the editors cut a bunch out.
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Somewhat OT
I know exactly what you're talking about. Once years ago I was asked to watch a Clinton speech and then speak with a reporter afterward for my reaction (being almost the only Democrat in a heavily conservative town). I spoke with the reporter for more than an hour, giving all sorts of very specific critiques and remarks. The article appeared the next day and the reporter quoted only the first five words I said: "'Clinton is a brilliant speaker,' gushed Mrs. Sands." I had gone on to say "but this, that and the other thing." And I never "gushed!" He totally ignored every other thing I'd said. What was the point of the hour-plus conversation? I suppose we could blame it on the editor...
Oh well. Stupid media! :p
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
I know exactly what you're talking about. Once years ago I was asked to watch a Clinton speech and then speak with a reporter afterward for my reaction (being almost the only Democrat in a heavily conservative town). I spoke with the reporter for more than an hour, giving all sorts of very specific critiques and remarks. The article appeared the next day and the reporter quoted only the first five words I said: "'Clinton is a brilliant speaker,' gushed Mrs. Sands." I had gone on to say "but this, that and the other thing." And I never "gushed!" He totally ignored every other thing I'd said. What was the point of the hour-plus conversation? I suppose we could blame it on the editor...
Oh well. Stupid media! :p
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
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Thanks everyone, I have emailed a link to this thread to the reporter.
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We get too overwrought about it; it's the GP name of the masses; so what?
Though I personally do not care for Nevaeh, it's easy to see why many people do.
My assumption is that people who like it for its meaning assign it the same meaning as Heaven. To them it either literally means "Heaven" or is a veiled reference to what Heaven is, i.e. Paradise, nirvana, spiritual ecstasy, etcetera. This is despite it being spelled backward, as though it is code for, or a linguistic symbol of, Heaven, KWIM? Virtually all names are linguistic symbols of something or other, aren't they, my etymological friends?
Finding new or different ways to say the same thing is considered creative (I don't mean kreatymh) and cool by most people. Don't we try to do that? Isn't doing so considered being articulate and eloquent? Truly new ways of saying the same thing are always admired. Nevaeh is certainly new and creative.
To illustrate this linguistic-symbol idea, look at another, similar cultural phenomenon. I refer to native English speakers who don't speak Chinese or Japanese getting tattoos of Chinese/Japanese characters that supposedly represent English words, like love, peace, etcetera, without really understanding what those characters actually mean to a native Chinese or Japanese speaker (usually more complex and nuanced than is thought).
Symbols have cachet, they have weight, obviously, and once absorbed into one's personal mythology, both tattoos and names mean what we say they mean. There's nothing wrong with that. That's how people learn to communicate. "XYZ means such and such to me. What does it mean to you?"
But apart from its appeal for what it represents, I think it just sounds nice. Listen to it without a subjective hatred of it. nehVEYeh. It has gentle consonants, softly spoken, with a lilting rhythm. To me it's comparable to Olivia or Vanessa in that way. Vanessa, btw, is also a made up name, one which is perfectly acceptable today and considered quite beautiful by many.
Though I personally do not care for Nevaeh, it's easy to see why many people do.
My assumption is that people who like it for its meaning assign it the same meaning as Heaven. To them it either literally means "Heaven" or is a veiled reference to what Heaven is, i.e. Paradise, nirvana, spiritual ecstasy, etcetera. This is despite it being spelled backward, as though it is code for, or a linguistic symbol of, Heaven, KWIM? Virtually all names are linguistic symbols of something or other, aren't they, my etymological friends?
Finding new or different ways to say the same thing is considered creative (I don't mean kreatymh) and cool by most people. Don't we try to do that? Isn't doing so considered being articulate and eloquent? Truly new ways of saying the same thing are always admired. Nevaeh is certainly new and creative.
To illustrate this linguistic-symbol idea, look at another, similar cultural phenomenon. I refer to native English speakers who don't speak Chinese or Japanese getting tattoos of Chinese/Japanese characters that supposedly represent English words, like love, peace, etcetera, without really understanding what those characters actually mean to a native Chinese or Japanese speaker (usually more complex and nuanced than is thought).
Symbols have cachet, they have weight, obviously, and once absorbed into one's personal mythology, both tattoos and names mean what we say they mean. There's nothing wrong with that. That's how people learn to communicate. "XYZ means such and such to me. What does it mean to you?"
But apart from its appeal for what it represents, I think it just sounds nice. Listen to it without a subjective hatred of it. nehVEYeh. It has gentle consonants, softly spoken, with a lilting rhythm. To me it's comparable to Olivia or Vanessa in that way. Vanessa, btw, is also a made up name, one which is perfectly acceptable today and considered quite beautiful by many.
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I like the name Nevaeh.
I like the link with 'heaven'. I think that Nevaeh is a better name for a girl than Heaven..
If hardly anyone likes this name, than why is Nevaeh so popular?
I like the link with 'heaven'. I think that Nevaeh is a better name for a girl than Heaven..
If hardly anyone likes this name, than why is Nevaeh so popular?
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I don't want to sound snobbish but
I think people especially interested in names, and the history and etymology of names, are more critical than the "mass".
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
I think people especially interested in names, and the history and etymology of names, are more critical than the "mass".
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
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Talking about name anagrams of "heaven"...
... I'd also like to point out a bona fide surname, Vanhee, which ranks 76,673th surname in the US.
... I'd also like to point out a bona fide surname, Vanhee, which ranks 76,673th surname in the US.
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I live in Canada and I'm yet to meet or hear of a Navaeh.
The only, and first, time I heard the name on a child was on the Maury Povich Show one morning... and that was Naveah.
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The only, and first, time I heard the name on a child was on the Maury Povich Show one morning... and that was Naveah.
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"Very American" was my first reacton to Nevaeh
And not American in a positive sense.
But I am certain that the name will travel to Canada, UK, Australia, NZ and other countries too. I just hope Nevaeh does not come to Sweden. I have trouble trying to pronounce it in English, can't even pronounce in Swedish.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
And not American in a positive sense.
But I am certain that the name will travel to Canada, UK, Australia, NZ and other countries too. I just hope Nevaeh does not come to Sweden. I have trouble trying to pronounce it in English, can't even pronounce in Swedish.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
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Sounds like "lemming" :)
Lemmih would perhaps be a good name for a hamster or a guinea pig.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
Lemmih would perhaps be a good name for a hamster or a guinea pig.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
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in Dutch it'd be Lemeh, doesn't look like a girl's name, could be a male in the bible ;)
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Gendering = bad.
I assume that you're looking for fluffy and weak for it to be suitable for a girl.
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I assume that you're looking for fluffy and weak for it to be suitable for a girl.
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"gendering = bad"
Who says? You? So what? Bold assumption you made about Mar. Who's stereotyping now?
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
Who says? You? So what? Bold assumption you made about Mar. Who's stereotyping now?
~Lillian~
Proud daughter of Ann and John
Proud sister of Lauren and Leah
Proud wife of David
Proud mother of Alexander, Scarlett, Sophia, and Gideon
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WTF?
ADT, Mar was referring to the fact that Hebrew names ending in 'ah' or 'eh' are more often male than female. The name *does* look similar to many male Hebrew names and there's nothing at all weird about saying so.
It has *nothing* to do with gender, stereotyping or any of your usual soapbox subjects. If you insist on subjecting us to your rants, at least do it legitimately instead of pouncing on anyone who dares say that fobidden word, "male".
♦ Chrisell ♦
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
ADT, Mar was referring to the fact that Hebrew names ending in 'ah' or 'eh' are more often male than female. The name *does* look similar to many male Hebrew names and there's nothing at all weird about saying so.
It has *nothing* to do with gender, stereotyping or any of your usual soapbox subjects. If you insist on subjecting us to your rants, at least do it legitimately instead of pouncing on anyone who dares say that fobidden word, "male".
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
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ADT
1. I never heard a fluffy names, because fluffy refers to hair or fur and name is not equipped with that :P
2. If you click my profile and see my fav names, you'll see I like loads of non-(what I think you might mean with)"Fluffy and weak" names.
3. Please go ahead and cheer when parents go and name their daugther Rocky if you like, but don't bother me again with your overly-feministic preaching.
Thank you for reading.
1. I never heard a fluffy names, because fluffy refers to hair or fur and name is not equipped with that :P
2. If you click my profile and see my fav names, you'll see I like loads of non-(what I think you might mean with)"Fluffy and weak" names.
3. Please go ahead and cheer when parents go and name their daugther Rocky if you like, but don't bother me again with your overly-feministic preaching.
Thank you for reading.
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WTF to you. O_o
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[Rocky for a pc girl] LOL ;)
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Again, I'm very much against gender stereotypes. Because what exactly is that what makes a name "masculine" or "feminine" sounding if it's not stereotypes.
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What about history and origin?
What makes a name male or female is it is male/female historically imo.
I guess Lemmih would be unisex, since it has no history/tradition.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
What makes a name male or female is it is male/female historically imo.
I guess Lemmih would be unisex, since it has no history/tradition.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
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Hey, be careful with those suggestions :)
Now it's only a matter of time before someone names their son Lemeh and claims they saw that in a Dutch translation of the bible (but they heard it's *actually* the Latvian word for "phoenix who rises from the ashes").
Now it's only a matter of time before someone names their son Lemeh and claims they saw that in a Dutch translation of the bible (but they heard it's *actually* the Latvian word for "phoenix who rises from the ashes").
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Yup. And it would be Leic in French...Oleic in Spanish and Italian, I think.
But Ayla, Na, Luemah and Inal are not that bad. :)
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. ~Albert Einstein
But Ayla, Na, Luemah and Inal are not that bad. :)
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. ~Albert Einstein
This message was edited 5/16/2006, 4:39 PM
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That would also be "Lemmih" in Danish. It sounds too much as the small creature Lemming to me. Ugh!
I don't care for that at all.
I don't care for that at all.
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I think they look cute
A bit similar to hamsters and guinea pigs but of course wilder.
But maybe not a good name for a human being. But there is already Lemuel, not so far away.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
A bit similar to hamsters and guinea pigs but of course wilder.
But maybe not a good name for a human being. But there is already Lemuel, not so far away.
"But it’s all right now.
I learned my lesson well.
You see you can’t please everyone
So you got to please yourself."
Rick Nelson, GardenParty
"It does not become me to make myself smaller than I am." (Edith Södergran 1891-1923)
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Obein in Polish. :)
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Yup, she talked to me first and I referred her to the information about fastest-growing names on this site. Glad she was able to get ahold of you! :)
And I already told her that Nevaeh was the name young women on Websites most love to hate.
And by the way, I have no evidence that "fundamentalist evangelicals" are more likely to be naming daughters Nevaeh than people of other religious persuasions are. One of the few young women on babynames.com who ever said she liked it was a Jew living in New York City, and I have seen other posts by people who have named daughters Nevaeh who say they are not religious at all but just thought it was a cool name.
And I already told her that Nevaeh was the name young women on Websites most love to hate.
And by the way, I have no evidence that "fundamentalist evangelicals" are more likely to be naming daughters Nevaeh than people of other religious persuasions are. One of the few young women on babynames.com who ever said she liked it was a Jew living in New York City, and I have seen other posts by people who have named daughters Nevaeh who say they are not religious at all but just thought it was a cool name.
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Well, not being in the States I don't know ... but I'm going on some comments on the BabyCenter naming polls! "Our heavenly angel", etc, and the wish for a "biblical" name (!) that's also uncommon. Of course, that kind of stat is terminally flawed but it must be hard to get a sample population that isn't self-selecting for all naming stats work.
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Well, believe it or not, neither the impulse to think of one's daughter as a "heavenly angel" or the desire to have a "Biblical" name are restricted to evangelical Christians. Stanley Lieberson, the sociologist at Harvard who does research on naming patterns, has found that in the USA people who are regular church-goers are somewhat LESS likely to give their children real Biblical names than non-church-goers are. The impulse to give one's child a "Biblical" name is often a desire for a sense of historical depth rather than a statement about one's spiritual beliefs. :)
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It amuses me ... but then, I've never (or nevaeh, depending on how posh one is) met one; no doubt it will surface in darkest Africa, but so far we've been lucky.
What amuses me is the way the same kind of seriously fundamentalist evangelical people who get so exercised about hidden messages of evil accessed by playing rock songs backwards are the very ones to use Nevaeh. But, there's nothing in the rules to say that people have to be consistent in their beliefs and behaviours.
I'd see it, if challenged, as the same kind of "name" as Eden and Avalon: the sense of wanting a better place somewhere else, and then pinning that expectation on a child. Bleak.
By the way, who or which or why or what is Cribs? I'm feeling foreign this morning!
What amuses me is the way the same kind of seriously fundamentalist evangelical people who get so exercised about hidden messages of evil accessed by playing rock songs backwards are the very ones to use Nevaeh. But, there's nothing in the rules to say that people have to be consistent in their beliefs and behaviours.
I'd see it, if challenged, as the same kind of "name" as Eden and Avalon: the sense of wanting a better place somewhere else, and then pinning that expectation on a child. Bleak.
By the way, who or which or why or what is Cribs? I'm feeling foreign this morning!
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Re:
Bleak,, like posh and foreign, is in the eye of the beholder.
Oh.. wait. Yours is another feelings-about-people-I've-never-met post. Sorry, my mistake!
This mentions the Cribs thing - read the reader comments here
http://thebabynamewizard.ivillage.com/parenting/archives/2005/01/in_search_of_nevaeh_a_tale_of.html
- mirfak
Bleak,, like posh and foreign, is in the eye of the beholder.
Oh.. wait. Yours is another feelings-about-people-I've-never-met post. Sorry, my mistake!
This mentions the Cribs thing - read the reader comments here
http://thebabynamewizard.ivillage.com/parenting/archives/2005/01/in_search_of_nevaeh_a_tale_of.html
- mirfak
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I do have an opinion...
Nevaeh is a modern name and I think people like it so much because it's very unique. Also, it can be personalized with different pronounciations. I myself, I kind of like it, it's different and pretty too. People on here are generally more "traditional" so they like to treat these modern names with a hostile kind of attitude, like you said. Personally, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't beat the snot out of it just because of your own opinion.
--Kit
P.S.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to add it to my personal name list right now. :)
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Photo taken by Kit
Nevaeh is a modern name and I think people like it so much because it's very unique. Also, it can be personalized with different pronounciations. I myself, I kind of like it, it's different and pretty too. People on here are generally more "traditional" so they like to treat these modern names with a hostile kind of attitude, like you said. Personally, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't beat the snot out of it just because of your own opinion.
--Kit
P.S.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to add it to my personal name list right now. :)
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Photo taken by Kit
This message was edited 5/15/2006, 8:50 PM
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"Unique" is an absolute and means "one of a kind". A name can't be "very unique", and Nevaeh certainly isn't unique by any stretch of the imagination. "Popular" and "unique" are opposites.
♦ Chrisell ♦
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
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According to my dictionary, "unique" can also have the meaning "very remarkable" (and thus not be an absolute). But I'm afraid "very very remarkable" does not make a lot more sense ...
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The "very remarkable" meaning that's now sometimes included in dictionaries is a bastardisation, caused by so many people using the word incorrectly (like Kit just did). Either way, Nevaeh isn't. People may think it's cool or wonderful or spiffy or awesome, but unique with either meaning just doesn't fit.
♦ Chrisell ♦
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Language Evolves
Gay is no longer means happy, it means a homosexual. There are so many words that have changed, been created, or given new meanings. Language is a living, breathing thing. It grows. You may not like the fact, but have to realize that it DOES change.
Gay is no longer means happy, it means a homosexual. There are so many words that have changed, been created, or given new meanings. Language is a living, breathing thing. It grows. You may not like the fact, but have to realize that it DOES change.
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As an adjective, gay is certainly to be avoided: luckily one can still comfortably distinguish gaiety from gayness!
I've got a colleague in her 30s - very attractive woman, straight, unmarried - whose surname is Gay; her given initials are BJ. She no longer puts her name up on her door, to avoid the snickering ... and yet when her parents named her, the meaning that exists today never occurred to anyone.
Which, I suppose, means that it could happen to any of us!
I've got a colleague in her 30s - very attractive woman, straight, unmarried - whose surname is Gay; her given initials are BJ. She no longer puts her name up on her door, to avoid the snickering ... and yet when her parents named her, the meaning that exists today never occurred to anyone.
Which, I suppose, means that it could happen to any of us!
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I think she should meet the Fockers ;)
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Actually, I'm using the terminology that the dictionary used, Siri. Don't assume.
♦ Chrisell ♦
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - J.R.R. Tolkien.
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Get off it
I'm so tired of this, Chrisell. I'm tired of it.
I get an e-mail from you, just seeing if you're okay - and it sounds like a whining, little 14 year old. I daren't say anything - I'm wrong.
Elinor did not call you a liar, I'm sorry to say.
You're overly sensitive, a drama queen, need to control every detail, constantly need to be right. Whenever you're not, you throw a hissy fit and run away.
I am SO tired of this - get a goddamn life. Did I assume? Yes, because of the rest of your preachy, annoying posts.
Get a life.
I'm so tired of this, Chrisell. I'm tired of it.
I get an e-mail from you, just seeing if you're okay - and it sounds like a whining, little 14 year old. I daren't say anything - I'm wrong.
Elinor did not call you a liar, I'm sorry to say.
You're overly sensitive, a drama queen, need to control every detail, constantly need to be right. Whenever you're not, you throw a hissy fit and run away.
I am SO tired of this - get a goddamn life. Did I assume? Yes, because of the rest of your preachy, annoying posts.
Get a life.
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Ahh, Siri . . .
Why don't you get a life, and grow up. This is a technical discussion about the etymology of a word, not a grandstand for your emotional problems.
The contents of my private mail to you should not have been raised on this board, and I am disgusted at the lack of respect you have displayed in doing so. It is typical of you, however, to use peoples' confidences against them. Have I ever used your admissions regarding jealousy and bitterness against you? I didn't even keep those emails because I didn't think it would be fair to hold your past behaviour against you after you had apologised. I suppose it was far too much to expect that kind of discretion from you.
You asked what was wrong. Of course I had a whinge. That's part of what friendship is all about - being able to whinge and moan to one's friends when one is feeling down. Excuse me for confusing you with a friend. I won't make that mistake again.
When I am wrong, I admit I am wrong. I have done it many times. The fact is that a lot of the time I do know what I'm talking about. Whether people like it or not, I do have two university degrees. I can't help that and I'm not going to pretend to be dumb so that people like you don't feel threatened.
As for throwing a hissy fit and running away - I've done that once. That's hardly 'whenever', and I apologised when I came back. I did not 'run away' recently; I decided to stop posting and moderating for many reasons, none of which had anything to do with being right or wrong. They were to do with being stressed and anxious - something I thought you would understand. In fact, you said you did understand. If you didn't mean it, why lie about it? You could have just not responded. And why did you ask if you didn't care in the first place? Was your post to the board asking if I was ok nothing more than an attempt to get attention for yourself? A desperate cry for someone to notice how attentive and caring Siri is?
Why don't you get a life, and grow up. This is a technical discussion about the etymology of a word, not a grandstand for your emotional problems.
The contents of my private mail to you should not have been raised on this board, and I am disgusted at the lack of respect you have displayed in doing so. It is typical of you, however, to use peoples' confidences against them. Have I ever used your admissions regarding jealousy and bitterness against you? I didn't even keep those emails because I didn't think it would be fair to hold your past behaviour against you after you had apologised. I suppose it was far too much to expect that kind of discretion from you.
You asked what was wrong. Of course I had a whinge. That's part of what friendship is all about - being able to whinge and moan to one's friends when one is feeling down. Excuse me for confusing you with a friend. I won't make that mistake again.
When I am wrong, I admit I am wrong. I have done it many times. The fact is that a lot of the time I do know what I'm talking about. Whether people like it or not, I do have two university degrees. I can't help that and I'm not going to pretend to be dumb so that people like you don't feel threatened.
As for throwing a hissy fit and running away - I've done that once. That's hardly 'whenever', and I apologised when I came back. I did not 'run away' recently; I decided to stop posting and moderating for many reasons, none of which had anything to do with being right or wrong. They were to do with being stressed and anxious - something I thought you would understand. In fact, you said you did understand. If you didn't mean it, why lie about it? You could have just not responded. And why did you ask if you didn't care in the first place? Was your post to the board asking if I was ok nothing more than an attempt to get attention for yourself? A desperate cry for someone to notice how attentive and caring Siri is?
This message was edited 5/22/2006, 8:36 PM
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C'est la guerre !
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You're getting famous...
So what is your personal opinion on Nevaeh? The only tidbit I have to add is that it's joining the words as names trend - Sonnet, Poet, Lyric. Just backwards.
Elizabeth
So what is your personal opinion on Nevaeh? The only tidbit I have to add is that it's joining the words as names trend - Sonnet, Poet, Lyric. Just backwards.
Elizabeth
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