[Facts] Re: "Delaney" is not an English name...Nor French!!!
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Donnchadh macGilla Pátraic macDonnchada, a descendant the infamous king Cearbhall macDúngaile, became powerful enough to claim the kingship of the province of Leinster (a "greater part of" southeast Ireland) for a short time during 1030's. Shortly after this point, about 1041, we find a notice in the Annals of the Four Masters that Muircheartach mac Gilla Pátraic, a brother of the aforementioned Donnchadh, and a lord of half Osraighe, was slain by the Ui Caelluidhe (the O'Kealys of Magh Lacha). In Upper Ossory, in what is now part of County Laois, the Ui Caollaidhe (the O'Kealys) were able to exert an independent rule over both their own territory and that of the Ua hUrachan (the O'Horahans of Uí Foircheallain) and the Ua Dubhslaine (O'Delany's of Coill Uachtarach). Finn O'Caellaide is mentioned as a lord of Ossory on his death notice in 1098, and he is cited as marrying a grand-daughter of Gilla Pátraic macDonnchada (d. 996). After the death of Giolla Pháttraicc Ruadh, a king of Ossory, in 1103, it appears that a junior branch of the Mac Giolla Phádraigs were able to lay claim to the southern-most part of Osraige, aka Deascairt Osraighe (under Cerball macDomnaill), while the main branch appear to have maintained their hold in the large middle portion of the kingdom (possibly the northern two-thirds of modern County Kilkenny).
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/history/ossory.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/history/ossory.htm
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So?
The surname Delaney IS from Norman origin. The use or not to Anglicize a legit Irish surname doesn't change the etymology of the surname.
A lot of information about Irish history, but nothing about a phylological explanation to justify the Celtic linguistic origin of the form Delaney (basically its linguistic evolution from Dubhslaine).
Your information and links only show that:
1) Dubhslaine is a historical Irish surname and name
2) and that it had been matched with the Norman surname Delaney to Anglicize it (as a lot of other Irish names and surnames which had been matched with non-related English names and surnames).
Lumia
http://onomastica.mailcatala.com
The surname Delaney IS from Norman origin. The use or not to Anglicize a legit Irish surname doesn't change the etymology of the surname.
A lot of information about Irish history, but nothing about a phylological explanation to justify the Celtic linguistic origin of the form Delaney (basically its linguistic evolution from Dubhslaine).
Your information and links only show that:
1) Dubhslaine is a historical Irish surname and name
2) and that it had been matched with the Norman surname Delaney to Anglicize it (as a lot of other Irish names and surnames which had been matched with non-related English names and surnames).
Lumia
http://onomastica.mailcatala.com
Brian Friel's effort to show how language and
attitude colors our thoughts and actions:
www.culturevulture.net/Theater/Translations.htm
attitude colors our thoughts and actions:
www.culturevulture.net/Theater/Translations.htm