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Help[Facts] An answer to Phyllis's critique
in reply to a message by Selwyn
To Phyllis ,
I thank you very much for helping me with this project. I have below made a list of the corrections I have adopted from your suggestions and I have tried to answer to your questions as well as I could.
It seems however that the version I have used uses different spellings of some names compared to the version you have used. I have chosen to keep the spellings found in the book I used myself, but I will leave it to Mike C to pass the final judgement on this matter.
The Version I have used is:
Shakespeare, William . 1988. William Shakespeare The Complete Works
Oxford University Press.
"The Two Gentlemen of Verona"
Vicentio should be Vincentio (m, *Taming*)
"Taming of the Shrew"
I couldn't find Nathaniel , Philip , Joseph , Peter or Nicholas mentioned (but it might have been me research)
-These characters also hold very small parts. They are sewingmen and thus only appear in the sewing scene.
"Henry VI, Part II"
Cardinal Beaufort was Cardinal Henry Beaufort (m, *Henry VI*)
Old Lord Clifford was Thomas , Lord Clifford (m, *Henry VI*)
Young Clifford was John , Young Clifford (m, *Henry VI*)
Lord Saye was actually Sir James Fiennes, Lord Say (m, *Henry VI*)
Lord Scales was Lord Thomas Scales (m, *Henry VI*)
Which was "Crookback Richard "?
-This I must admit I do not know
John Hume wasn't a knight, but a priest (m, *Henry VI*)
-I think what you mean is that I should leave out the "Sir" in front of his name, but listen to this passage in the play itself where Hume speaks to himself:
HUME
Hume must make merry with the duchess' gold;
Marry, and shall. But how now, Sir John Hume!
Seal up your lips, and give no words but mum:
The business asketh silent secrecy.
Emmanuel wasn't mentioned in the copy of the play I found
-He also plays a very small role in the play as the clerk of Chatham
CADE
I am sorry for't: the man is a proper man, of mine
honour; unless I find him guilty, he shall not die.
Come hither, sirrah, I must examine thee: what is thy name?
Clerk
Emmanuel .
"Henry VI, Part III"
Lord Clifford was Lord John Clifford (m, *Henry VI*)
Lord Stafford wsa Lord Humphrey Stafford (m, *Henry VI*)
Earl Rivers was Anthony Woodeville, Lord Rivers (m, *Henry VI*)
King Louis was Louis XI
Henry was which one (Henry Percy ? Henry Beaufort? The Earl of Richmond?) (m, *Henry VI*)
-I must admit that I do not know that either
Was Edward the Earl of March? (m, *Henry VI*)
-That I know not
I couldn't find Lord Bourbon in my copy
-Also one who plays a very small part:
KING LOUIS XI Why stay we now? These soldiers shall be levied,
And thou, Lord Bourbon, our high admiral,
Shalt waft them over with our royal fleet.
I long till Edward fall by war's mischance,
For mocking marriage with a dame of France.
"Richard III"
William was Sir William Brandon (m, *Richard III*)
John was John Morton (m, *Richard III*)
Christopher was Christopher Urswick (m, *Richard III*)
"Love 's Labour's Lost"
Sir Nathaniel was merely Nathaniel (m, *Love 's*)
-I do not agree with that because of the following passage where Nathaniel is name Sir Nathaniel by Holofernes
SIR NATHANIEL Truly, Master Holofernes, the epithets are sweetly
varied, like a scholar at the least: but, sir, I
assure ye, it was a buck of the first head.
HOLOFERNES Sir Nathaniel , haud credo.
DULL 'Twas not a haud credo; 'twas a pricket.
"The Rape of Lucrece" (True, this is not a play, but why not?)
-I think it is a good idea to add the names from Shakespeare's poetry and sonnets too to the namesake section. It is simply great litterature! But still it were only the plays which appeared in the
1623 Folio and that is what the list is based on.
I thank you very much for helping me with this project. I have below made a list of the corrections I have adopted from your suggestions and I have tried to answer to your questions as well as I could.
It seems however that the version I have used uses different spellings of some names compared to the version you have used. I have chosen to keep the spellings found in the book I used myself, but I will leave it to Mike C to pass the final judgement on this matter.
The Version I have used is:
Shakespeare, William . 1988. William Shakespeare The Complete Works
Oxford University Press.
"The Two Gentlemen of Verona"
Vicentio should be Vincentio (m, *Taming*)
"Taming of the Shrew"
I couldn't find Nathaniel , Philip , Joseph , Peter or Nicholas mentioned (but it might have been me research)
-These characters also hold very small parts. They are sewingmen and thus only appear in the sewing scene.
"Henry VI, Part II"
Cardinal Beaufort was Cardinal Henry Beaufort (m, *Henry VI*)
Old Lord Clifford was Thomas , Lord Clifford (m, *Henry VI*)
Young Clifford was John , Young Clifford (m, *Henry VI*)
Lord Saye was actually Sir James Fiennes, Lord Say (m, *Henry VI*)
Lord Scales was Lord Thomas Scales (m, *Henry VI*)
Which was "Crookback Richard "?
-This I must admit I do not know
John Hume wasn't a knight, but a priest (m, *Henry VI*)
-I think what you mean is that I should leave out the "Sir" in front of his name, but listen to this passage in the play itself where Hume speaks to himself:
HUME
Hume must make merry with the duchess' gold;
Marry, and shall. But how now, Sir John Hume!
Seal up your lips, and give no words but mum:
The business asketh silent secrecy.
Emmanuel wasn't mentioned in the copy of the play I found
-He also plays a very small role in the play as the clerk of Chatham
CADE
I am sorry for't: the man is a proper man, of mine
honour; unless I find him guilty, he shall not die.
Come hither, sirrah, I must examine thee: what is thy name?
Clerk
Emmanuel .
"Henry VI, Part III"
Lord Clifford was Lord John Clifford (m, *Henry VI*)
Lord Stafford wsa Lord Humphrey Stafford (m, *Henry VI*)
Earl Rivers was Anthony Woodeville, Lord Rivers (m, *Henry VI*)
King Louis was Louis XI
Henry was which one (Henry Percy ? Henry Beaufort? The Earl of Richmond?) (m, *Henry VI*)
-I must admit that I do not know that either
Was Edward the Earl of March? (m, *Henry VI*)
-That I know not
I couldn't find Lord Bourbon in my copy
-Also one who plays a very small part:
KING LOUIS XI Why stay we now? These soldiers shall be levied,
And thou, Lord Bourbon, our high admiral,
Shalt waft them over with our royal fleet.
I long till Edward fall by war's mischance,
For mocking marriage with a dame of France.
"Richard III"
William was Sir William Brandon (m, *Richard III*)
John was John Morton (m, *Richard III*)
Christopher was Christopher Urswick (m, *Richard III*)
"Love 's Labour's Lost"
Sir Nathaniel was merely Nathaniel (m, *Love 's*)
-I do not agree with that because of the following passage where Nathaniel is name Sir Nathaniel by Holofernes
SIR NATHANIEL Truly, Master Holofernes, the epithets are sweetly
varied, like a scholar at the least: but, sir, I
assure ye, it was a buck of the first head.
HOLOFERNES Sir Nathaniel , haud credo.
DULL 'Twas not a haud credo; 'twas a pricket.
"The Rape of Lucrece" (True, this is not a play, but why not?)
-I think it is a good idea to add the names from Shakespeare's poetry and sonnets too to the namesake section. It is simply great litterature! But still it were only the plays which appeared in the
1623 Folio and that is what the list is based on.
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