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in reply to a message by Eden
I live outside Houston, nowhere near Ireland. I am a long-time nomophile and I know a LOT of names, but I have never seen or heard of this name and would not have had the first clue how to pronounce it. Celtic and Gaelic names as unusual as this are even more rare in the US. If Eden had not asked how to pronounce it I would never have come in contact with it. Do the Swedes, the Finns, the Brazilians know this name? Don't presume to speak for "the majority," thank you very much.
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Huh?
Are you confused, or am I? I'm Eden. Is the OP's name Eden, as well.
I stand by what I said, most people on this site know the pronunciation of this name. I say this from my experience of the countless number of times the name has been mentioned on this site. I'm speaking for no one other than myself.
Are you confused, or am I? I'm Eden. Is the OP's name Eden, as well.
I stand by what I said, most people on this site know the pronunciation of this name. I say this from my experience of the countless number of times the name has been mentioned on this site. I'm speaking for no one other than myself.
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no, my bad
Quite right, I used your name when I meant little_kit.
I am very new to this board, obviously. I don't expect anyone to know anything about me, and likewise I know nothing about anyone else. I have no idea who's been here for years or minutes. Before today, for all I knew, you might have found this site five minutes before I did.
I perceived your suggestion to little_kit that her question would be better suited to another board as rather snobbish, since I have seen quite a few other pronunciation postings go without this suggestion. I could see nothing different about hers from those, and I found it similar to my own of last week (she and I both have mn's no one else can pronounce). You saying "the majority" like that heightened my sense of that perceived snobbishness. "Majority" always implies "minority" and issues of inclusion and exclusion. As a newcomer I am trying to sort out those very issues for myself on this board.
I am the sort of person who will always leap to the defense of the little guy, and root for the underdog. That is how I perceived that situation. Clearly that was a wrong impression. I apologize for taking a harsh tone with my initial response, though I didn't intend for it to come across quite as sharply as it did. But then I found myself taking fire from all sides. I know I cannot possibly be the only person posting on this board who 1) is unfamiliar with Niamh; 2) does not like for other people to presume to speak for me; and 3) has a quick temper and a big mouth. Or keyboard. So I leaped in with both feet.
I did come away with the distinct impression that there are a great many people posting from the UK here. That's terrific. Always glad to hear from friends across the pond. But I have the impression - wrong? - that there are also plenty of people from lots of other places, not just English (or Gaelic) speaking countries, and I was thinking of them, too.
Quite right, I used your name when I meant little_kit.
I am very new to this board, obviously. I don't expect anyone to know anything about me, and likewise I know nothing about anyone else. I have no idea who's been here for years or minutes. Before today, for all I knew, you might have found this site five minutes before I did.
I perceived your suggestion to little_kit that her question would be better suited to another board as rather snobbish, since I have seen quite a few other pronunciation postings go without this suggestion. I could see nothing different about hers from those, and I found it similar to my own of last week (she and I both have mn's no one else can pronounce). You saying "the majority" like that heightened my sense of that perceived snobbishness. "Majority" always implies "minority" and issues of inclusion and exclusion. As a newcomer I am trying to sort out those very issues for myself on this board.
I am the sort of person who will always leap to the defense of the little guy, and root for the underdog. That is how I perceived that situation. Clearly that was a wrong impression. I apologize for taking a harsh tone with my initial response, though I didn't intend for it to come across quite as sharply as it did. But then I found myself taking fire from all sides. I know I cannot possibly be the only person posting on this board who 1) is unfamiliar with Niamh; 2) does not like for other people to presume to speak for me; and 3) has a quick temper and a big mouth. Or keyboard. So I leaped in with both feet.
I did come away with the distinct impression that there are a great many people posting from the UK here. That's terrific. Always glad to hear from friends across the pond. But I have the impression - wrong? - that there are also plenty of people from lots of other places, not just English (or Gaelic) speaking countries, and I was thinking of them, too.
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I've no doubt
we would get along quite well.
You're right...I failed to include newcomers in my thoughts on Niamh. I do apologize for that. It seems lately so many people make one or two posts and then vanish, so I tend not to count them as "board members," rightly or wrongly so.
And now I see our political leanings are similar, too. Yes, starting over is a great idea. I like you, already. :)
Eden
we would get along quite well.
You're right...I failed to include newcomers in my thoughts on Niamh. I do apologize for that. It seems lately so many people make one or two posts and then vanish, so I tend not to count them as "board members," rightly or wrongly so.
And now I see our political leanings are similar, too. Yes, starting over is a great idea. I like you, already. :)
Eden
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sneaking in one last
while DH snores. Very good then, it's mutual. If you wouldn't mind putting in a good word for me with all those others who now hate my guts, that would be shiny. :)
while DH snores. Very good then, it's mutual. If you wouldn't mind putting in a good word for me with all those others who now hate my guts, that would be shiny. :)
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Lillian I dont hate you at all, it was all a storm in a teacup both of us reacting because we felt someone else was being picked on.
It is difficult sometimes to read the true meaning of messages on these boards especially if we dont know the writing style of the person posting. So much of human communication is to do with gestures and tones of voise that misunderstandings over what people are trying to say happen a lot
I hope we can put it behind us
It is difficult sometimes to read the true meaning of messages on these boards especially if we dont know the writing style of the person posting. So much of human communication is to do with gestures and tones of voise that misunderstandings over what people are trying to say happen a lot
I hope we can put it behind us
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LOL They're sure to read these posts and love you.
You should make your way over to the Lounge, if you haven't done so already.
You should make your way over to the Lounge, if you haven't done so already.
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Shiny is always good!^_^
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Says most of the regulars actually, Eden being a long standing member of these boards knows what she is talking about when she speaks for the majority
This name has been discussed by many people over the years and the majority of us do know how its pronounced whatever country we hail from. A quick search of these boards gave 1305 matches for Niamh.
Where I live it is one of the more popular irish names along with Siobhan and Sinead
Just because you have never heard of it dont presume to assume we havent
As for your other post mentioning Cree and Navajo names, Eden was only talking about people on these boards when she spoke for the Majority and I am sure that if an individual Cree or Navajo name was mentioned as often as Niamh we would remember how to pronouce it too
This name has been discussed by many people over the years and the majority of us do know how its pronounced whatever country we hail from. A quick search of these boards gave 1305 matches for Niamh.
Where I live it is one of the more popular irish names along with Siobhan and Sinead
Just because you have never heard of it dont presume to assume we havent
As for your other post mentioning Cree and Navajo names, Eden was only talking about people on these boards when she spoke for the Majority and I am sure that if an individual Cree or Navajo name was mentioned as often as Niamh we would remember how to pronouce it too
This message was edited 3/14/2006, 2:04 PM
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Nonetheless
little_kit's question was a perfectly legitimate one for this board's intended purpose as I understand it. And I never said I assumed that few people on this board knew it; I challenged first that her question was inappropriate and second that many people in the States know how to pronounce it. Several of the responses little_kit got conceded that this name might be mispronounced "ny-amh" or "nee-amh," lending credence to my feeling that there could be confusion. What I really took issue with was the clear attitude that this is a name nerd clique into which little_kit's question, and evidently my response, is intruding. I may be new around here, but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the real world, this board aside. I don't get that cliquish feeling from very many posts, but if that's the case - and you seem as willing as Eden to speak for your "majority" - then this whole board can piss in the wind without me. Enjoy the rest of your majority life.
little_kit's question was a perfectly legitimate one for this board's intended purpose as I understand it. And I never said I assumed that few people on this board knew it; I challenged first that her question was inappropriate and second that many people in the States know how to pronounce it. Several of the responses little_kit got conceded that this name might be mispronounced "ny-amh" or "nee-amh," lending credence to my feeling that there could be confusion. What I really took issue with was the clear attitude that this is a name nerd clique into which little_kit's question, and evidently my response, is intruding. I may be new around here, but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the real world, this board aside. I don't get that cliquish feeling from very many posts, but if that's the case - and you seem as willing as Eden to speak for your "majority" - then this whole board can piss in the wind without me. Enjoy the rest of your majority life.
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I'm fine pissing without you.
I never said she shouldn't ask the question here. I suggested she ask it at a baby name board where the majority probably wouldn't know the pronunciation, as opposed to the majority here.
Editing to add: I'm very sorry you read my tone wrong. I had absolutely no intention on driving anyone away...you, or the OP.
I never said she shouldn't ask the question here. I suggested she ask it at a baby name board where the majority probably wouldn't know the pronunciation, as opposed to the majority here.
Editing to add: I'm very sorry you read my tone wrong. I had absolutely no intention on driving anyone away...you, or the OP.
This message was edited 3/14/2006, 8:07 PM
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Edens post was no way as hostile as yours was, nowhere in her message did she say that little_kit's question was inappropriate she was simply pointing out that on an Etymology site like this, we know how to pronounce the name that little_kit's was asking about,It even has the pronounciation in the link, she was suggesting that if the original poster wanted to educate others about her name she should go to other sites where the information wasnt so easily available. ie Baby name sites where the name pronounciations and at times meanings are absent
Edited to try to make it a little clearer what I was attempting to explain
Edited to try to make it a little clearer what I was attempting to explain
This message was edited 3/14/2006, 3:18 PM
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Not hostile, surprised
to hear anyone speak for "the majority" on what I had previously perceived as a very heterogeneous mix of people. Evidently this is more of a clique, so you're right, I'm wrong, it's your party. Whatever.
to hear anyone speak for "the majority" on what I had previously perceived as a very heterogeneous mix of people. Evidently this is more of a clique, so you're right, I'm wrong, it's your party. Whatever.
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I just feel that you took Edens comment the wrong way and blew it up out of proportion, but hey in your words. whatever
This message was edited 3/14/2006, 3:17 PM
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Niamh is a rather popular name here.
Eden is a long-time poster, and she knows that. Celtic and Gelic names are uncommon in your area in the US, but in many other places they are relatively common. I know around three Niahm. I also think that Eden CAN speak for the majority - as she's been here for a long time, knows the tastes of th eboards, and also knows what names are familiar here.
Eden is a long-time poster, and she knows that. Celtic and Gelic names are uncommon in your area in the US, but in many other places they are relatively common. I know around three Niahm. I also think that Eden CAN speak for the majority - as she's been here for a long time, knows the tastes of th eboards, and also knows what names are familiar here.
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