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in reply to a message by hope
I think queenv is talking about the fact that Shane is a form of John. It's like having kids named Paul and Pauline or Isabelle and Elizabeth.
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But...
why is it so horrible to have two children named Isabelle and Elizabeth? Yeah, Isabelle is a form of Elizabeth but honestly, they are two different names. I don't really see the problem. They don't look the same, they don't sound the same, they just share the same origin. I mean, where do you draw the line? Is Hampus and John the same name? Sorry, but it annoys me when people say that two different names are the same name because, well, they aren't. They just share origin.
why is it so horrible to have two children named Isabelle and Elizabeth? Yeah, Isabelle is a form of Elizabeth but honestly, they are two different names. I don't really see the problem. They don't look the same, they don't sound the same, they just share the same origin. I mean, where do you draw the line? Is Hampus and John the same name? Sorry, but it annoys me when people say that two different names are the same name because, well, they aren't. They just share origin.
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"Same name" is probably a poor choice of words. It definitely isn't technically correct. But, some people such as myself are bothered by siblings having names that share the same origin and obviously some aren't. It's only the parents' business what names are chosen, anyway...but then other people can express their opinions about it.
It's a little more annoying when the parents don't even know that the names share the same origin. My brother and sister-in-law didn't know that John and Shane do---I was the one to tell them. Once I did, though, it was obvious that they couldn't have cared less, so fine. It would have taken just a modicum of research to reveal that fact to them, though, research that they evidently didn't bother doing. That's something I don't get---choosing a name and not even bothering to ascertain its meaning and origin. If they were going to choose two different versions of a name, they could at least have known that's what they were doing. But whatever--the boys are their sons, not mine. I just like to vent a little about it here on the board!
It's a little more annoying when the parents don't even know that the names share the same origin. My brother and sister-in-law didn't know that John and Shane do---I was the one to tell them. Once I did, though, it was obvious that they couldn't have cared less, so fine. It would have taken just a modicum of research to reveal that fact to them, though, research that they evidently didn't bother doing. That's something I don't get---choosing a name and not even bothering to ascertain its meaning and origin. If they were going to choose two different versions of a name, they could at least have known that's what they were doing. But whatever--the boys are their sons, not mine. I just like to vent a little about it here on the board!
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but the internet isn't always truthful
It told me Katelyn was the irish form of Catherine.
Psh.
It told me Katelyn was the irish form of Catherine.
Psh.
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Caitlin is the Irish form of Catherine, I believe, so you could say that Katelyn is.
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True, but
It doesn't say Katelyn is a form of Caitlin, just Catherine, so lots of people skip over Caitlin.
It doesn't say Katelyn is a form of Caitlin, just Catherine, so lots of people skip over Caitlin.
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But it is a form of Catherine.
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I guess I'm trying to say
that it should at least mention Caitlin.
that it should at least mention Caitlin.
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You could make a post on here and ask if Katelyn is a form of Catherine.
I feel it is, yes. But don't you think sites should show that it's a form of Caitlin too?
I feel it is, yes. But don't you think sites should show that it's a form of Caitlin too?
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It's not just websites
A lot of baby name books are incredibly inaccurate too. BTN is really the only site I trust.
The baby name books on my shelf don't even list Katelyn as it's own name-- one has it as a variant of Kate.
A lot of baby name books are incredibly inaccurate too. BTN is really the only site I trust.
The baby name books on my shelf don't even list Katelyn as it's own name-- one has it as a variant of Kate.
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They don't sound alike, but
they are still forms of the same name.
I've told this story a million times on here, but oh well
I have a friend named John IV "Jack". So his dad is also named John. His mom is named Janet, and his brother is named Sean.
And one day I pointed this out to him, just like "Jack, everyone in your family is named John!
Because Sean is the Irish form of John. [And Shane is another form of Sean], and Janet is a feminine of John.
they are still forms of the same name.
I've told this story a million times on here, but oh well
I have a friend named John IV "Jack". So his dad is also named John. His mom is named Janet, and his brother is named Sean.
And one day I pointed this out to him, just like "Jack, everyone in your family is named John!
Because Sean is the Irish form of John. [And Shane is another form of Sean], and Janet is a feminine of John.
This message was edited 12/10/2010, 8:57 PM
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Apparently his mom didn't know
He had always been told that John was an Irish name, and one day I came along and was talking about names and he asked what his meant and I mentioned that Sean was the Irish form and he said "Oh that's my brothers name".
He eventually asked his mom and she said "Well they sound different to me".
@@ [Obviously they couldn't help the John / Janet thing though].
Also I have a friend named Evan John. He never told me his middle name, but it was called when we graduated, so after I came over and said "Evan, you never told me your name was John John."
I don't totally mind if Dad is one form of John and son is another form... if the parents know what they're doing, it might even be sort of clever.
And I understood the last sentence. :D
He had always been told that John was an Irish name, and one day I came along and was talking about names and he asked what his meant and I mentioned that Sean was the Irish form and he said "Oh that's my brothers name".
He eventually asked his mom and she said "Well they sound different to me".
@@ [Obviously they couldn't help the John / Janet thing though].
Also I have a friend named Evan John. He never told me his middle name, but it was called when we graduated, so after I came over and said "Evan, you never told me your name was John John."
I don't totally mind if Dad is one form of John and son is another form... if the parents know what they're doing, it might even be sort of clever.
And I understood the last sentence. :D
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This happened in my family, also, although perhaps not so obviously. My name is Janice, which is a variation of Jane, which is the feminine form of John. I have a half brother named John...we have the same mother, but different fathers. So to make matters worse, John was named after his father, who was my mother's first husband...her first husband's name was also John. So my mother and father named me the feminine form of her first husband's name! Obviously, non-namenerds do not stop to think of these things. I know it would have occurred to me, and I'm not even as much of a namenerd as most of the people here.
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