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Help[Opinions] Re: WDYTO Saronia? (M)
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I don't like either name. They sound made-up, and I'll personally take the most boring, bland real name over a made-up one.
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"I'll personally take the most boring, bland real name over a made-up one."
That attitude is shared by many, and I always find it quite sad. Truly. I'm not trying to single you out, but you worded it pretty strongly. How dull a world would this be? Every name was "made up" at some point. I'm very thankful not everyone feels the way you do. Shakespeare, for example, made up many beautiful names we now take for granted as being "real."
Whatever "real" means.
"I'll personally take the most boring, bland real name over a made-up one."
That attitude is shared by many, and I always find it quite sad. Truly. I'm not trying to single you out, but you worded it pretty strongly. How dull a world would this be? Every name was "made up" at some point. I'm very thankful not everyone feels the way you do. Shakespeare, for example, made up many beautiful names we now take for granted as being "real."
Whatever "real" means.
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I agree with you
"I'll personally take the most boring, bland real name over a made-up one."
I also totally disagree with this statement. One of my current favourite names is Lyria* which is made up. I also like the name Imaya which I made up (in a dream). It's not my top choice of girl's name but I'd far rather have or see someone else have two daughters called Lyria and Imaya over Amy and Hannah (two boring bland names I'm sick of seeing at the moment) any day. I think made up names can be attractive and tasteful and far more interesting than something which has just been picked from the current top ten.
If anyone's interested I know of someone called Lirea. I'd assumed it was Afrikaans as she's South African but her parents made it up as a nickname blend of her real fn and mn. I'd assumed it was spelt Lyria and since then it's really grown on me as a real name.
"I'll personally take the most boring, bland real name over a made-up one."
I also totally disagree with this statement. One of my current favourite names is Lyria* which is made up. I also like the name Imaya which I made up (in a dream). It's not my top choice of girl's name but I'd far rather have or see someone else have two daughters called Lyria and Imaya over Amy and Hannah (two boring bland names I'm sick of seeing at the moment) any day. I think made up names can be attractive and tasteful and far more interesting than something which has just been picked from the current top ten.
If anyone's interested I know of someone called Lirea. I'd assumed it was Afrikaans as she's South African but her parents made it up as a nickname blend of her real fn and mn. I'd assumed it was spelt Lyria and since then it's really grown on me as a real name.
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That's totally different, though
Shakespeare "made up" names by taking existing elements of languages and turning them into names. He didn't pull random pretty syllables out of thin air, smash them together, and call them a name. For example, he "invented" Miranda from the existing Latin "mirandus".
As for "all names were made up at some point", I am so sick of that argument. Real names aren't made up--they're taken from existing words and elements of real, existing languages. For example, Alexander was "made up" from the Greek elements alexo ("to defend/help") and aner ("man"). Something like Saronia has no lingustic background whatsoever and is, in effect, a random combination of letters.
I, for one, am extremely grateful not everyone feels the way you do.
Shakespeare "made up" names by taking existing elements of languages and turning them into names. He didn't pull random pretty syllables out of thin air, smash them together, and call them a name. For example, he "invented" Miranda from the existing Latin "mirandus".
As for "all names were made up at some point", I am so sick of that argument. Real names aren't made up--they're taken from existing words and elements of real, existing languages. For example, Alexander was "made up" from the Greek elements alexo ("to defend/help") and aner ("man"). Something like Saronia has no lingustic background whatsoever and is, in effect, a random combination of letters.
I, for one, am extremely grateful not everyone feels the way you do.
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Err..
The OP said that "Saronia" means "star" in a different language...I wouldn't call that random. =)
The OP said that "Saronia" means "star" in a different language...I wouldn't call that random. =)
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That doesn't mean it's a good name. Picking pretty words out of other languages doesn't make a good name.
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Okay Miss Julia...
...I did a little bit of research and it seems that your name is likely derived from the word for "downy-bearded."
Hmm.
Many names are attributes or characteristics that parents either observe in their children or wish for their children to possess; others are stations, titles or family names. Somewhere along the line, someone decided to use a word as a name (like, say...Julius) and it stuck; current "legit" names just have the benefit of hundreds or thousands of years behind them. Who's to say that in a thousand years, Saronia won't be a totally legit name. Who's to say that Saronia isn't a totally legit name right now in a culture of which you are not aware. Just because it's not in *your* taste doesn't mean it is not a legit name.
It's totally fine for you to dislike it, but say that instead of trying to discredit it without foundation.
...I did a little bit of research and it seems that your name is likely derived from the word for "downy-bearded."
Hmm.
Many names are attributes or characteristics that parents either observe in their children or wish for their children to possess; others are stations, titles or family names. Somewhere along the line, someone decided to use a word as a name (like, say...Julius) and it stuck; current "legit" names just have the benefit of hundreds or thousands of years behind them. Who's to say that in a thousand years, Saronia won't be a totally legit name. Who's to say that Saronia isn't a totally legit name right now in a culture of which you are not aware. Just because it's not in *your* taste doesn't mean it is not a legit name.
It's totally fine for you to dislike it, but say that instead of trying to discredit it without foundation.
This message was edited 6/19/2008, 3:51 PM
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Be sick of it then
It's still true. Reaching far enough back, ultimately all human speech was made up from random syllables out of thin air. Duh.
It's still true. Reaching far enough back, ultimately all human speech was made up from random syllables out of thin air. Duh.
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That's really not the point
I'm having a bit of trouble comprehending this. You think that since everything was made up at one point, it's perfectly acceptable to name children random combinations of letters? So if someone came on her asking about Kaleihweanzariah, you wouldn't have a problem with it since, obviously, all names were made up at one point?
If you really cannot see a difference between Miranda and random made up names, I don't think I can help you.
Duh.
I'm having a bit of trouble comprehending this. You think that since everything was made up at one point, it's perfectly acceptable to name children random combinations of letters? So if someone came on her asking about Kaleihweanzariah, you wouldn't have a problem with it since, obviously, all names were made up at one point?
If you really cannot see a difference between Miranda and random made up names, I don't think I can help you.
Duh.
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I didn't *ask* for nor do I *need* your "help"
Quite the high horse you're on up there. Your "help?" What the f*k ever.
Scandalous and ignorant though it may seem to you, pleasant sounding combinations of random syllables can and do make perfectly fine names, whether you think so or not. It's a matter of opinion, and yours is not more correct than mine.
I think one of my kids went to school with a little Kaleihweanzariah. She was half black, half Hawai'ian. Very creative child. ;p
Stop trying to "help" me think inside your little box.
Quite the high horse you're on up there. Your "help?" What the f*k ever.
Scandalous and ignorant though it may seem to you, pleasant sounding combinations of random syllables can and do make perfectly fine names, whether you think so or not. It's a matter of opinion, and yours is not more correct than mine.
I think one of my kids went to school with a little Kaleihweanzariah. She was half black, half Hawai'ian. Very creative child. ;p
Stop trying to "help" me think inside your little box.
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I have to ditto this. Shakespearean names are not really the same as sitting down and pulling vowels and consonants out of a hat. Or worse, glomming names together as such: McKin'zandraleigh.
This message was edited 6/18/2008, 8:23 PM
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Wait, wait, wait.
Saronia is a name without any unnecessary letters and an intuitive pronunciation. Explain to me again how it is in any way comparable to McKin'zandraleigh.
So you don't like it. Fine. That doesn't mean that, objectively, it's a bad name. That means it's not to your tastes. If you want to bitch about made up names, bitch about the ones that suck--that really are difficult for the bearer due to confusing spellings or unintuitive pronunciations. In a world where most of the populace doesn't give a rat's ass whether Nancy and Hannah come from the same root, complaining that Saronia is stupid and made up and icky gross get it away from me Shakespeare didn't do it like that seems to me patently ridiculous.
(And before anyone's dander gets raised, that last bit's meant generally, not personally to you. ♥)
Array (take it to Manhattan, 'cause she doesn't want it)
Saronia is a name without any unnecessary letters and an intuitive pronunciation. Explain to me again how it is in any way comparable to McKin'zandraleigh.
So you don't like it. Fine. That doesn't mean that, objectively, it's a bad name. That means it's not to your tastes. If you want to bitch about made up names, bitch about the ones that suck--that really are difficult for the bearer due to confusing spellings or unintuitive pronunciations. In a world where most of the populace doesn't give a rat's ass whether Nancy and Hannah come from the same root, complaining that Saronia is stupid and made up and icky gross get it away from me Shakespeare didn't do it like that seems to me patently ridiculous.
(And before anyone's dander gets raised, that last bit's meant generally, not personally to you. ♥)
Array (take it to Manhattan, 'cause she doesn't want it)
This message was edited 6/18/2008, 9:40 PM
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I think you're putting deeper meaning behind what I said than is actually there. I was not comparing McKin'zandraleigh and Saronia... at all.
McKin'zandraleigh was pulled right out of my ass in the moment. It was a different beast from a different tangent entirely. It's nothing to do with whether any made up name (be it Saronia or what have you) has unnecessary letters or an intuitive pronunciation. I was simply dittoing Julia's sentiment regarding Lillian's defense of willy nilly made up names vs. made up names taken from existing words and elements, and McKin'zandraleigh (Mickey for short :p) was thrown in at the end almost as an afterthought. Like, "Well at least neither side offered up this."
I said my bit about how Shakespeare's names were different from randomly made up names which just sound pretty (do you remember when I first joined up here on BtN and my absolute all-time favorite name was Nykara?) and the Mickey part was a big ol' piece of Shayna-putting-in-more-inconsequential-tidbits-than-necessary pie. I should have left it at "Ditto" and that be that.
My dander's not raised, I'm just frustrated that I'm not clear enough when I write. I really hadn't meant what you said here. I'm not trying to bitch at you back. If I was, I don't think this would have worked anyway :P
Oooh, and also while I'm at it, I'm not this huge Shakespeare Is God type either. I just used him as the example given of name creators.
McKin'zandraleigh was pulled right out of my ass in the moment. It was a different beast from a different tangent entirely. It's nothing to do with whether any made up name (be it Saronia or what have you) has unnecessary letters or an intuitive pronunciation. I was simply dittoing Julia's sentiment regarding Lillian's defense of willy nilly made up names vs. made up names taken from existing words and elements, and McKin'zandraleigh (Mickey for short :p) was thrown in at the end almost as an afterthought. Like, "Well at least neither side offered up this."
I said my bit about how Shakespeare's names were different from randomly made up names which just sound pretty (do you remember when I first joined up here on BtN and my absolute all-time favorite name was Nykara?) and the Mickey part was a big ol' piece of Shayna-putting-in-more-inconsequential-tidbits-than-necessary pie. I should have left it at "Ditto" and that be that.
My dander's not raised, I'm just frustrated that I'm not clear enough when I write. I really hadn't meant what you said here. I'm not trying to bitch at you back. If I was, I don't think this would have worked anyway :P
Oooh, and also while I'm at it, I'm not this huge Shakespeare Is God type either. I just used him as the example given of name creators.
This message was edited 6/18/2008, 11:02 PM
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I'd argue that McKin'zandraleigh has a perfectly intuitive pronunciation. mc-kin-ZAN-drah-lee. And I don't see any unneccesary letters. You can't take any out without changing the pronunciation. If Ys were substituted for all the vowels and there were random Hs thrown in there, yes. But McKin'zandraleigh, while unfortunate, does not fit my definition of "having random letters".
So you don't mind Urhines Icy Eight Special K and Aryan Justice because they don't have confusing spellings or unintutitive pronunciations? I don't understand how that can be the only logic for making a name "bad".
I'd love to take it to Manhattan. But plane fares are really killer these days.
So you don't mind Urhines Icy Eight Special K and Aryan Justice because they don't have confusing spellings or unintutitive pronunciations? I don't understand how that can be the only logic for making a name "bad".
I'd love to take it to Manhattan. But plane fares are really killer these days.
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So you don't mind Urhines Icy Eight Special K and Aryan Justice because they don't have confusing spellings or unintutitive pronunciations? I don't understand how that can be the only logic for making a name "bad".
Lol, no. Comparing a name that possibly means "star" to a name that means "different kinds of drugs" or "whitey rules"? Not the same thing. Please don't simplify my opinions to what they're not; it's irritating.
Array
Lol, no. Comparing a name that possibly means "star" to a name that means "different kinds of drugs" or "whitey rules"? Not the same thing. Please don't simplify my opinions to what they're not; it's irritating.
Array
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ditto Melvin
Well, at least Shakespeare took existing names / words as the basis of his names, and didn't pull random syllables out of the air like many parents seem to do these days.
"Real" means that the name has a history, comes from a bonified spoken language, and means something other than "string of noises I think sound pretty".
As for Saronia, I like that the name means star, but I don't personally care for the sound of it. (I also see sah-ROW-nee-uh).
Well, at least Shakespeare took existing names / words as the basis of his names, and didn't pull random syllables out of the air like many parents seem to do these days.
"Real" means that the name has a history, comes from a bonified spoken language, and means something other than "string of noises I think sound pretty".
As for Saronia, I like that the name means star, but I don't personally care for the sound of it. (I also see sah-ROW-nee-uh).
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I agree with Lillian, all names were made up at some point.(
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