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Help[Opinions] It does come from Tiana (m)
in reply to a message by Perrine
You inspired me to do some research, using the South Australia baby names data set which is the most complete for any Australian state. I only looked up to 1995, but it's still being used as far as I know.
Tiana starts showing up on 1-2 girls per year intermittently from 1960, and gains variants from 1965. In order of popularity, here are Tiana and its variants by year. Asterisks show names that were in the top 500 that year.
1960 - Tiana
1963 - Tiana
1965 - Tiana*, Tiani
1967 - Teana
1968 - Tiana
1970 - Tiana, Tiani
1971 - Tiandra*, Tian, Tianna
1972 - Tianee
1973 - Tiana, Tiani
1974 - Tiana, Tiarni
1975 - Tiana*
1976 - Tiani, Tiarni
1977 - Tiarnie*
1978 - Tiani, Tiarni
1979 - Tiana*
1981 - Tiana, Tiani, Tiarnie, Tijana
1984 - Tianna
1985 - Tiana*, Tiani
1986 - Teanne, Tian, Tiana, Tianna, Tiannah
1987 - Teearn, Tiane, Tianna, Tiarnee
1988 - Tiahne, Tianah, Tianie, Tiarni-Rose
1989 - Tiana*, Tiarna*, Tiahni
1990 - Tiana*, Teana*, Tiahna, Tiani, Tianna, Tyana
1991 - Tiarna*, Tiana*, Tiarne*, Tiahna, Tiahne, Tianne, Tiarn, Tiarnee, Tiarni, Tijana
1992 - Tiana*, Tiarna*, Tian, Tianna, Tiarni
1993 - Tiana*, Tiarne*, Tiahna*, Teanna*, Tian, Tiandra, Tiarni, Tijana, Tiahn
1994 - Tiana*, Tiarna*, Tiahna*, Tiarne*, Tijana*, Tian, Tiarn, Tiahn, Tiahnie, Teearna
1995 - Tiana*, Tianna*, Tiahne, Tiahni, Tian, Tiarna, Tijana, Tearna, Teeyarnna, Tyana
I stopped at 1995 because I was running out of steam, but you get the gist. Tiana clearly led the way (probably influenced by Tina and Tia, which preceded it, and the various -tiana names which were not uncommon amongst the post-war immigrant groups in Australia). The plethora of variants came later but clearly followed where Tiana led.
I've known a few with various spellings, and I'm nostalgically fond of it although I probably wouldn't use it.
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Tiana starts showing up on 1-2 girls per year intermittently from 1960, and gains variants from 1965. In order of popularity, here are Tiana and its variants by year. Asterisks show names that were in the top 500 that year.
1960 - Tiana
1963 - Tiana
1965 - Tiana*, Tiani
1967 - Teana
1968 - Tiana
1970 - Tiana, Tiani
1971 - Tiandra*, Tian, Tianna
1972 - Tianee
1973 - Tiana, Tiani
1974 - Tiana, Tiarni
1975 - Tiana*
1976 - Tiani, Tiarni
1977 - Tiarnie*
1978 - Tiani, Tiarni
1979 - Tiana*
1981 - Tiana, Tiani, Tiarnie, Tijana
1984 - Tianna
1985 - Tiana*, Tiani
1986 - Teanne, Tian, Tiana, Tianna, Tiannah
1987 - Teearn, Tiane, Tianna, Tiarnee
1988 - Tiahne, Tianah, Tianie, Tiarni-Rose
1989 - Tiana*, Tiarna*, Tiahni
1990 - Tiana*, Teana*, Tiahna, Tiani, Tianna, Tyana
1991 - Tiarna*, Tiana*, Tiarne*, Tiahna, Tiahne, Tianne, Tiarn, Tiarnee, Tiarni, Tijana
1992 - Tiana*, Tiarna*, Tian, Tianna, Tiarni
1993 - Tiana*, Tiarne*, Tiahna*, Teanna*, Tian, Tiandra, Tiarni, Tijana, Tiahn
1994 - Tiana*, Tiarna*, Tiahna*, Tiarne*, Tijana*, Tian, Tiarn, Tiahn, Tiahnie, Teearna
1995 - Tiana*, Tianna*, Tiahne, Tiahni, Tian, Tiarna, Tijana, Tearna, Teeyarnna, Tyana
I stopped at 1995 because I was running out of steam, but you get the gist. Tiana clearly led the way (probably influenced by Tina and Tia, which preceded it, and the various -tiana names which were not uncommon amongst the post-war immigrant groups in Australia). The plethora of variants came later but clearly followed where Tiana led.
I've known a few with various spellings, and I'm nostalgically fond of it although I probably wouldn't use it.
http://christineseaforthfinch.blogspot.com/
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Thank you so much, this is interesting.
But does it necessarily prove that it comes from Tiana?
I'm not so sure because many names with similar sounds tend to become popular at the same time even though they are unrelated.
For example:
Madison and Addison
Riley and Kylie
Chloe and Zoe
Kaylee and Bailey and Hayley
etc. etc.
But does it necessarily prove that it comes from Tiana?
I'm not so sure because many names with similar sounds tend to become popular at the same time even though they are unrelated.
For example:
Madison and Addison
Riley and Kylie
Chloe and Zoe
Kaylee and Bailey and Hayley
etc. etc.
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You're probably right but I just don't really understand why people would go from Tiana to Tiarna. It has a different sound (slightly). To me that just doesn't sound like it should be the same name.
If I found a name and wanted to spell it creatively I wouldn't throw an R in there all of a sudden. It seems unusual.
I mean if I heard bree-AH-na I wouldn't feel the need to do Briarna (this spelling doesn't even show up in the "beyond the top 1000"). I would use Briana or Brianna or Breeana. The R just seems so random and for it to become so relatively common - it just confuses me.
I posted this on the other board (facts) and someone suggested it might come from Tierney. This makes some sense because British and Irish names were popular in Australia (Bronwyn, for example). But yes, no idea, I am just confused hahaha
Thanks for your answers!
If I found a name and wanted to spell it creatively I wouldn't throw an R in there all of a sudden. It seems unusual.
I mean if I heard bree-AH-na I wouldn't feel the need to do Briarna (this spelling doesn't even show up in the "beyond the top 1000"). I would use Briana or Brianna or Breeana. The R just seems so random and for it to become so relatively common - it just confuses me.
I posted this on the other board (facts) and someone suggested it might come from Tierney. This makes some sense because British and Irish names were popular in Australia (Bronwyn, for example). But yes, no idea, I am just confused hahaha
Thanks for your answers!
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Oh no, I should be going to bed not looking that up. Stand by...
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Nice! This is pretty supportive.
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It’s a very Aussie thing lol. Now I want to do a full study of it!
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The Australian accent is largely non-rhotic, so the ‘r’ isn’t pronounced - Tiana and Tiarna are pronounced exactly the same.
I suspect that Tierney pops up as a result of the general popularity of other Tee- names, rather than the other way around. I almost included it in my stats as it tends to show up in the years when lots of Tiana variations are in the data.
I suspect that Tierney pops up as a result of the general popularity of other Tee- names, rather than the other way around. I almost included it in my stats as it tends to show up in the years when lots of Tiana variations are in the data.
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In the other thread she wrote this:
A "tiarna" (Irish), or "tighearna" (Scottish), both from the Old Irish "tigerna", is a lord in the Gaelic world and languages.
So it is an Irish word apparently. From which Tierney evolved.
A "tiarna" (Irish), or "tighearna" (Scottish), both from the Old Irish "tigerna", is a lord in the Gaelic world and languages.
So it is an Irish word apparently. From which Tierney evolved.
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The thing is that the Irish word tiarna is pronounced TEER-nuh, not tee-AHN-uh. It wouldn’t make any linguistic sense for Tiarne (tee-AHN) to come from a masculine Irish word that is pronounced completely differently, rather than just being an alternative spelling of a nearly identical, fairly popular girls’ name.
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Yes, that is true!
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